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#107-11-2010 13:57:25

Is it generally classed...

...as being excessively rotten if you leave people in the shit if they refuse to learn or adapt to a situation they've possibly been in several times? It's like if some plum keeps walking to the same spot on a cliff edge and slipping over, week after week, and you keep pulling them back up as they're clinging onto the edge, what's wrong with just leaving them and letting the chuffs fall after they've done it more than a couple of times?

Just wondered if my stance that they should learn or suffer the consequence was excessive? Surely plain stupidity has to give out eventually and common sense make an appearance?

#207-11-2010 14:01:14

Re: Is it generally classed...

Sooner or later you need to let them fall  ...... a short sharp shock normally helps.

#307-11-2010 14:04:41

Re: Is it generally classed...

That's what I thought too. We seem to be in the minority though, it would appear.

#407-11-2010 14:12:02

Re: Is it generally classed...

It's called learning from mistakes ...... as long as it does not end up as a Darwin award.

#507-11-2010 14:21:13

Re: Is it generally classed...

The great and learned zoologist earnst Mayer classified lots of things in his life, even due to meiotic sexuality, allied with hennigan classification. His stance is to let the clever prevail, and the stupid fail...and in 90 years of zoology he's accepted as always being right. Let the coq kill hisself.  big_smile

#607-11-2010 14:24:52

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

The great and learned zoologist earnt Mayer classified lots of things in his life, even due to meiotic sexuality, allied with hennigan classification. His stance is to let the clever prevail, and the stupid fail...and in 90 years of zoology he's accepted as always being right. Let the coq kill hisself.  big_smile
Ok but i hate funerals ....... all that wearing black

#707-11-2010 15:53:16

Re: Is it generally classed...

So long as letting them fall to a splattery death is a metaphor, let them go.  They'll not learn otherwise.

#807-11-2010 20:26:07

Re: Is it generally classed...

sad

Experience is learning from your mistakes

Wisdom is learning from other peoples

Personally I favour wisdom (Despite having huge amounts of experience) however if you keep stopping the numbnuts from making mistakes then I won't be getting any more wisdom !


lol

#907-11-2010 22:13:14

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Matt wrote:

...as being excessively rotten if you leave people in the shit if they refuse to learn or adapt to a situation they've possibly been in several times? It's like if some plum keeps walking to the same spot on a cliff edge and slipping over, week after week, and you keep pulling them back up as they're clinging onto the edge, what's wrong with just leaving them and letting the chuffs fall after they've done it more than a couple of times?

Just wondered if my stance that they should learn or suffer the consequence was excessive? Surely plain stupidity has to give out eventually and common sense make an appearance?
for some people it's not a case they refuse to learn or adapt to something!! some just cant!!! depends on the person i spose.

#1008-11-2010 17:32:34

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Albannach wrote:

So long as letting them fall to a splattery death is a metaphor, let them go.  They'll not learn otherwise.
Metaphor it was. big_smile Must admit though, even if that was a real life scenario, third time around they would be dropping.

#1108-11-2010 17:57:37

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Albannach wrote:

They'll not learn otherwise.
Agree.

Icon - Post link Albannach wrote:

So long as letting them fall to a splattery death is a metaphor, let them go.
Disagree. 

Experience suggests that people rarely learn from their mistakes, unless they involve actual splattery death (in which case they very rarely indulge in said behaviour again), or at the very least an imminent threat of splattery death.

You need to leverage this metaphorical cliff hanger into an actual splattery-death cliff hanger.  This will increase the relative importance of the lesson to the pupil substantially, and thus help to reduce (albeit slightly) the chance of reoccurring pattern behaviour.

Ideally if, whilst maintaining the threat of imminent death, you could arrange it so that actual splatter occurs in combination with the loss of a minor limb (the left arm is usually ideal), then so much the better.  Pain is a proven incentiviser, and limb loss helps serve as a permanent reminder of the lesson in question.

whistle

#1208-11-2010 18:23:04

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link flounderbout wrote:

Pain is a proven incentiviser, and limb loss helps serve as a permanent reminder of the lesson in question.

whistle
Exactly!

Thats why there is no repect/discipline/ common sense in this country anymore, ever since a 'clip 'round the ear' was outlawed.

#1308-11-2010 18:25:15

Re: Is it generally classed...

....And Matt, if I reply to one of your threads, maybe you'll see it!

Look in the moderators section!!!    wink

#1408-11-2010 18:59:04

Re: Is it generally classed...

Doesn't time fly? whistle big_smile Replied. smile

#1508-11-2010 19:05:57

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Bushwhacker wrote:

Icon - Post link flounderbout wrote:

Pain is a proven incentiviser, and limb loss helps serve as a permanent reminder of the lesson in question.

whistle
Exactly!

Thats why there is no repect/discipline/ common sense in this country anymore, ever since a 'clip 'round the ear' was outlawed.
"BAH!" agreed Brigadier Vince Leatherington-Smythe, as he shook out his Daily Telegraph in the corner "Bloody good whipping, that's what we had in my day"...  wink

#1608-11-2010 19:08:27

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Thrashed to within an inch of me life...just to show me how lucky I am.

#1708-11-2010 20:09:31

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Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Thrashed to within an inch of me life..
I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!

#1808-11-2010 20:22:03

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Thrashed to within an inch of me life..
I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!
wendy ? as in wendy hummer don't break down  lol  lol  lol

#1908-11-2010 20:24:51

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Thrashed to within an inch of me life..
I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!
He was filmed on this red dwarf devilish

http://www.youtube.com/watch

#2008-11-2010 20:28:30

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Thrashed to within an inch of me life..
I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!
How very dare you...you know full well it's lexy.  big_smile

#2108-11-2010 20:32:53

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Icon - Post link That_Ruddy_Squirrel wrote:

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Thrashed to within an inch of me life..
I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!
wendy ? as in wendy hummer don't break down  lol  lol  lol
lol  lol  lol  lol  lol

Nice one Trev.

#2208-11-2010 20:34:07

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Thrashed to within an inch of me life..
I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!
How very dare you...you know full well it's lexy.  big_smile
THREAD HIJACK.........

Just got a buyer for the 2.4!!!
Time to start the search for 5 new tyres for the 3ltr!! wink

#2308-11-2010 20:36:46

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

Icon - Post link gwh200 wrote:

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:


I thought that was just when you're Wendy at the weekends!!
How very dare you...you know full well it's lexy.  big_smile
THREAD HIJACK.........

Just got a buyer for the 2.4!!!
Time to start the search for 5 new tyres for the 3ltr!! wink
threadjack  tease

#2408-11-2010 20:38:05

Re: Is it generally classed...

Icon - Post link Tintin wrote:

THREAD HIJACK.........

Just got a buyer for the 2.4!!!
Time to start the search for 5 new tyres for the 3ltr!! wink
And there was me thinking that you were going to break out into song "wendy red red robin comes bob bob bobbing along............."

Well done  big_smile

#2508-11-2010 21:19:48

Re: Is it generally classed...

just remember al...cooper discovere tyres are made by spackers...apart from that,they are great!  big_smile
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