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#118-02-2012 19:37:20

Step (so far)

After several days of general messing this is the result so far, i've re-done the chassis hangers and drop arms this time with 40mm abgle as opposed to flat bar, seems much steadier already and i have yet to add some cross braces,
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture767.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture768.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture769.jpg

i had to run the angle under the fuel tank guard and make a bracket that fits to the chassis  in the O/S outer chassis which i had to drill and tap as i didn't feel like takeing the tank off, to these hangers i've made plates that hold the pivot bar which have roller bearings this time instead of just pivoting on nuts and bolts, as these were wheel type bearings i had to make a clamp either side to keep the inner bearing race in place, then the lifting arms angle bare are drilled and fit into the pivot bar (these will be either bolted through or welded to the bar so the bar moved in it's bearings (i need it this way as i'll explain later, it's to do with keeping the step level as it moves up and down,
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture765.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture766.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture770.jpg

these are the 400mm HD runners used to allow the step to pull out (worked by air if i can figure out WTF's up with the comp) big_smile
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture744.jpg

step end of the lift bars, these also have bearings
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture772.jpg

the basic step metalwork, checker plate top to go on and tidy it up,
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture771.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture773.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/Surf%20pics/Picture774.jpg

thats it so far, next is figure a leveling method for the step to keep it about horizontal dureing in use then work out fitting the winch and a route for the cable, at the mo it's still working in the small winch (which is fine till ya put a body on the step,) i think i need to fit two cables at the step to stop the rocking and work out a way to join then so they connect to the winch cable, need an even pull, i'm hoping my boat rigger son in law can help out there, working out runs for the wire cable is gonna be the bstd, if it wern't for the engine and trans it's be a doddle lol

#218-02-2012 20:08:13

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Looking good Ian   thumbs

#318-02-2012 20:38:07

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Kin ell Ian...that's(yet again) fcuin fantastic!!!  big_smile

#418-02-2012 20:42:47

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Icon - Post link Popeye wrote:

i think i need to fit two cables at the step to stop the rocking and work out a way to join then so they connect to the winch cable, need an even pull
Use the same principle as a handbrake cable Ian. Looking good, btw. thumbs Have you got any form of cover protecting those open bearings on the inner side of the assembly? They'll attract shite like buggery if not, especially once grease gets slapped on there.

#518-02-2012 22:46:03

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That's not a surf it's a transformer lol

#619-02-2012 09:17:19

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Cheer's big_smile  good idea about the handbrake set up, re the bearings, i have greased them (which wot ya see squeezing out the holes on the end caps, once it's all in and running i can than paint it, once thats done i'll cover the bearings with summat, perhaps a pair of those rubber dust collectors you get for drills, i do intend to make small round plates with a grease nipple fitted to screw over the holes on the end caps, i can then grease em with the gun which should push grease through the bearing and any shite out, as i dont do off road it shouldn't be too big a problem, the step front bearings i can just drop oil on as they are the sealed type,
regarding the winch tray! when i was at the blacksmiths the other day i noticed they were makeing summat with massive box section, must have been 3-400mm square, i have to go back for more angle and flat so i'll see if he has any off cuts, that'd be ideal with some work on it,

#720-02-2012 23:56:52

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Icon - Post link Popeye wrote:

regarding the winch tray! when i was at the blacksmiths the other day i noticed they were makeing summat with massive box section, must have been 3-400mm square, i have to go back for more angle and flat so i'll see if he has any off cuts, that'd be ideal with some work on it,
That's some bloody large box section. big_smile Cut a full flat face and corner section from that and you'd probably have a tray with no phaffing.

#821-02-2012 19:19:02

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Aye, just hope he has some decent size offcuts knocking about, off down there tomorrow so we'll see

#923-02-2012 16:06:00

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Got the large box, it's actually 200mm square and a tad under a mt, but i'll do nicely, the winch will fit in but its slightly too high at just over 200mm (217mm, and thats including the disengaeing lever) anyway i did intend cutting the top off and haveing an "hinged " top, mayby fit the spots on there,
charged me a tenner for it!! not bad at all big_smile
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture775.jpg

#1023-02-2012 16:12:45

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Are you getting uprated suspension on one side, or does it sit central?  Looks amazing btw - nice work!

#1123-02-2012 19:27:54

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This box is for the winch which will go on the front, just hope the truck dont "upend" when i brake big_smile

#1223-02-2012 20:00:38

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You'll be ok ..... with all of Matts junk in the back to even it out  devilish  devilish

#1324-02-2012 13:16:21

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Yeah! that lathe must weigh a bit!   oh well another day and a half wasted, the self leveling idea did'nt work,
i'll be gald when i've had enough of this soddin step,

#1424-02-2012 14:54:19

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Icon - Post link Popeye wrote:

Yeah! that lathe must weigh a bit!   oh well another day and a half wasted, the self leveling idea did'nt work,
i'll be gald when i've had enough of this soddin step,
Which self levelling idea was that, and what went wrong?


Icon - Post link meooo wrote:

You'll be ok ..... with all of Matts junk in the back to even it out  devilish  devilish
Fecker. big_smile

#1525-02-2012 18:30:30

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It's the two rods in the first pic Matt, i welded thost flat bars to the pivot rod and the idea was the other end of those rods were connected to two brackets fitted to the step, so when the step lowers and welded on bars rotate withe the pivot rod it pushes the step out at the base thus keeping it level, well that was the plan, when connected up the step kept the same position so thats that, back to the drawing board, might work with longer barckets on the step but i had a gutfull of it and decided to strip out the front end,
as ya see i got two brackets on so far, it's 50mm angle, got to fit some more tomorrow to beef it up to accept the 200mm sq box, i want to get a few more bolts holding this fabrication to the chassis  before fitting the winch, its just on the two recovery hooks mounts at the mo,
need to find somewhere to stick that trans cooler as well whistle

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture776.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture777.jpg

#1627-02-2012 01:02:46

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The only way you'd be able to get something resembling a self levelling setup that I can think of, (without resorting to some really weird stuff), would literally be by using two pivoting, even length parallel struts on each side. Imagine one of those collapsing wine/bottle racks. That general type of principle.

#1727-02-2012 08:23:19

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Aye mate, i haven't given up on the leveling idea yet, just shelved it, for now i'll fix the step to the arms as the angles aint to"acute" for here to be able to use the thing, just got cheezed off with it, anyway cracking on with the winch mount, i spent most of yesterday cutting up the 200mm box, i didn't realise the tension in the thing, when i cut through the last bit it went "bang" and lifted a bit, and when i cut the other side it made an even bigger bang, so the side i cut off is slightly curled, i was gonna use that for the top (hinged lid) but at 7mm thick and the flex in it i dont know if i can straighten it, i'm useing those thin cutting discs on the grinder, jeez wot a job, shoit everwhere, and up my nose, blowing out blackuns all evening and getting a wheezy chest, plus muscle ache, eithe i'll finish this thing or it'll finish me big_smile

#1827-02-2012 11:26:01

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Icon - Post link Matt wrote:

The only way you'd be able to get something resembling a self levelling setup that I can think of, (without resorting to some really weird stuff), would literally be by using two pivoting, even length parallel struts on each side. Imagine one of those collapsing wine/bottle racks. That general type of principle.
I'm thinking along the same lines, but this kind of arrangement (like my mum used to have...)

http://www.1900s.org.uk/life-times-images/needlework-box.jpg

#1927-02-2012 16:55:59

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Icon - Post link Sancho wrote:

Icon - Post link Matt wrote:

The only way you'd be able to get something resembling a self levelling setup that I can think of, (without resorting to some really weird stuff), would literally be by using two pivoting, even length parallel struts on each side. Imagine one of those collapsing wine/bottle racks. That general type of principle.
I'm thinking along the same lines, but this kind of arrangement (like my mum used to have...)

http://www.1900s.org.uk/life-times-images
Ahah!!! we still have one like that big_smile  great idea both of ya,

#2027-02-2012 17:08:35

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Sanch's is definitely a far better example of what I was thinking. big_smile Couldn't even think of owt else which used that system, 'til he posted that pic.

#2128-02-2012 20:22:21

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Icon - Post link Matt wrote:

Sanch's is definitely a far better example of what I was thinking. big_smile Couldn't even think of owt else which used that system, 'til he posted that pic.
yeah! the principle is so simple, we've had one of those boxes in the bedroom for years, never occured to me to look at the way it works neutral

#2229-02-2012 18:20:57

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Bit of progress after three days flogging me tripe big_smile winch box cradle made up and fitted, stripped a bolt thread on the recovery fitting you see there, but i think Alan (Tintin) is helping me out there, got a bite on it by removeing the spring washer but i wouldn't want to trust it full time,
do you thing the fittings i'm putting on are ok for a winch? these are ====
the two recovery hook fitting bolts,
two bolts (second pic) into the front crossmember
another pair of brackets (yet to be made) (third pic)
and i will be fitting a pair of brackets from the bumper brackets to the jaos uprights and through to the cradle, got to get yet more soddin angle iron, that guy at the metal fab in havant loves me, i can see him trying to shrink when he see me comeing lol

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture781.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture780.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture778.jpg
Winch tray/box ready to go on
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture783.jpg
Jaos uprights re-fitted, i can only get one cross bar back on as the winch box will be in the way (both end curved bars going back on tomorrow
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h139/ian619/upload%20pictures/Picture785.jpg
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